KELO poll shows it could be a hard "Roe" to hoe for Vote Yes on 6. (get it? Roe, not row... Sorry, bad pun)
The initial results of the KELOland polling on HB 1215 referral vote show that the Vote Yes on 6 people are coming out on the downside in one of the first public benchmarks of how the vote would turn out if held today... Well, if it would have been held on July 24-26:
I'd tend to think of things as more fluid, just given the fact that the Campaign for Healthy Families Group has been out there beating the drum longer for how they want the issue to go, and the Vote Yes on 6 Coalition is just getting off the ground.
More polling and information on this in the months to come. Stay tuned.
We surveyed 800 registered voters July 24-26 and asked how they would vote on the referred law.Read it all here. Actually, if it's accurate, that's only 8 percentage points that the Vote Yes on 6 people have to make up. And it begs a big question - are people's attitudes on issues such as abortion as fluid as opinions about candidates? Or are they deep-seated and intractable?
If today were Election Day, 47 percent of people in our scientific poll say they would vote no and reject the state's proposal to ban most all abortions. Thirty-nine percent would vote yes and accept the new law. 14 percent are undecided.
The margin of error is plus/minus 3.5 percent.
I'd tend to think of things as more fluid, just given the fact that the Campaign for Healthy Families Group has been out there beating the drum longer for how they want the issue to go, and the Vote Yes on 6 Coalition is just getting off the ground.
More polling and information on this in the months to come. Stay tuned.
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Mason-Dixon has been pretty accurate with all the stuff they've done for Argus / KELO over the years, this should be the acid test. The tracking for the vote as the campaigns heat up would be great to see. Hopefully, the media moguls will fork over the dough for regular updates.
Secondly, the Vote Yes group just cranked up the bus tour and no media whatsoever yet.
Third, alot of folks are afraid to say they support life because Hilde and his hooligans want to strip churches of their free speech rights and tax status. If the other side would work as hard as it did on the Indian Reservations in 02 and 04 looking for votes as what it does suppressing the votes of church-going folk the poll numbers would be alot more even.
The outcome will depend more on who gets their supporters to the poll, then moving the numbers.
It will be very interesting to see how the number compare if the supporters of HB1215 would have included rape and incest.
why do people keep pointing to EC as the answer to rape and incest? because it's an easy out to explain away the radicalism that is deeply rooted in 1215.
and they always forget to mention that those who favor 1215 are the same crowd that works tooth and nail to limit, if not ban, access to EC
another way to put it: 1215 supporters who point to EC are full of it
You're right that there is an allowance in the bill for emergency contraception in cases of rape and incest, but it needs to be taken in context with other factors. Factors like pharmacists who refuse to prescribe emergency contraception and the legislation attempts by the "pro-life" groups to outlaw all contraception.
And, like you mentioned, the fact that many victims of rape and incest are too scared to report the crime until way past 1215's due date.
The reason we keep bringing up the rape and incest issue is because it illustrates how this bill will ultimately hurt women.
Almost all of the aborted babies have a beating heart, brain waves, and the ability to react to pain. Almost all of the aborted babies have arms, legs and a head.
How can someone say that we have the right to stop a beating heart?
It's clear your positioin is very much prolife. But you need to think with your mind and not your emotions.
Your in the trap of thinking that your opinion is the only right opinion. That's very dangerous, as people quit listening to those they think as extremist, and that's what you sound like with positions based on emotions.
Great point. Abortion will continue even if illegal. Murder is illegal and it still happens. I guess we should legalize murder. And armed robbery. Its illegal, but it still happens. We should legalize it too. In fact lets only keep the laws that no one breaks. Wow, now that would be grand. There would be no need for prisons. You should give your true identity. We all should find out who this brilliant person is.
You are a fool. The preverbial slippery slop argument is ridiculous. Yes, and if we allow the races to mix.....
Take your morality, move to Idaho, form your own seperate country and trade with Iran and the mullahs and leave the rest of us alone.
What anonymous should have said is that he/she doesn't want to create a law FORCING his/her opinion on the citizens of the state. You, on the other hand, want to make a decision for every pregnant couple in the state.
This is really the only reason I am pro-choice. I do think my opinion is right, but do not think my opinion should be law. Still, the tyranny of the majority persists.
They HAVE no better spokeperson than Mrs. Unruh, who personifies all the phoniness and conflicting principles of the entire bunch who voted 1215 into being an issue.
OK, you want to talk about it, then tell me, do you really feel it is more compassionate to systematically dismember an unborn child than to give him or her a shot at a life that might not be all roses?
Of course, you're completely failing to mention that children may be given up for adoption.
Also, there is the Safe Havens program here in SD, too. Parents who come to feel that they are not able to provide the care their newborn needs can place their child in the care of a number of individuals who will ensure that their child does get the appropriate nurturing.
We needn't always look to abortion as the "quick fix" to an unplanned pregnancy. There are plenty of other options.
I refused to answer that one, and just felt icky after that call, like I had been used.
By, the way? How much is in that defense fund now? Has Brock, Leslee, Alan, Lee anyone who stood up and cried for the law contributed???? PP?????
There are plenty of options available to help a pregnant woman give her baby the gift of life. I don't know if you've tried to adopt a child or not, but it is almost impossible to adopt because there are no babies. Most of them have been aborted. Why should those innocent babies have to suffer dismemberment and execution to make life easier for the woman who is carrying them?
So THAT's where your coming from. I see now. Your view of government is "force your will on others before they force it on you". That is SAD. How about you try to stop the government from deciding such issues instead? Wait, because you want to tell others how they should live, think, and feel...
"you're trying to legislate your opinion just as much as i am. your opinion is that killing unborn children be allowed. mine is that it should not be allowed. you think women have a right to abort their babies. i do not."
I am not trying to legislate (force) my opinion of whether or not pregnancies should be carried to term on everyone else. YOU, on the other hand, want to make the decision for every single couple whether or not they have to carry a pregnancy to term. I am letting parents decide for themselves whether or not a mass of cells with no central nervous system is truly an "unborn child".
In many cases, yes. Absolutely.
I generally stay out of the issue, but that statement just strikes me wrong.
Because as soon as I read it, the story of Frank McCourt came to mind.
McCourt's father, an alcoholic, was often without work, drank up what little money he earned and eventually abandoned the family altogether. Three of the seven children died of diseases aggravated by malnutrition and the squalor of their surroundings. Frank McCourt himself nearly died of typhoid fever when he was ten. His childhood was spent living in a small space in an entire block of houses sharing a single outhouse, ground floor dwellings flooded by constant rain, and a home infested with rats and vermin.
After quitting school at 13, Frank McCourt alternated between odd jobs and petty crime in an effort to feed himself, his mother, and four surviving brothers and sisters.
Yet, somehow he managed to survive, and later in his life won a pulitzer prize for his autobiography, Angela's Ashes, and he continues to teach and tell stories.
His drive to achieve sprung from "a life that wasn't all roses," as many other success stories in our country did.
Do I think I have the right to judge whether a child will have a good life or not? Absolutely not. But if a mother believes she cannot give her child the life it deserves, I believe abortion is a completely moral choice.
Interestingly, Frank McCourt's brother Malachy (an actor and writer) is running for Governor of NY on the Green Party ticket. He's pro-choice. Perhaps his childhood contributed to how he feels about that issue, perhaps not. But it certainly hasn't changed his mind and it won't change mine.