HB1215 spawns one of the most horrific response I've ever seen in a debate.

I saw this today, and it really stunned me. No matter what side of the debate you're on, here's a perfect example of one side taking things just a little too far:
For under $2000, any person with the inclination to learn could create a fully functioning abortion setup allowing for both vacuum aspiration and dilation/curettage abortions. If you are careful and diligent, and have a good grasp of a woman's anatomy you will not put anyone's health or life in danger, even if you have not seen one of these procedures performed.

Today, I will discuss dilation and curettage -- what used to be the most common abortion procedure before vacuum aspiration took its place. Vacuum aspiration is an easier method, but sometimes remaining fetal/placental material necessitates doing a "cleanup" D&C anyway, so you should know how to do this procedure first.

DISCLAIMER: I am posting this as information only. Whether anyone chooses to act upon this information is their own concern. I believe in the free exchange of information and ideas. I believe this information has been kept from women for too long, and there is no reason they should not know about a procedure being performed on their own body, and no reason women should be kept in the dark about how to perform it -- especially if someone they know is having their health jeopardized by this law.
Read it all here if you can.

On person's response to the bill passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor: DIY Abortion instructions, just like you'd find on building a birdhouse on the internet.

It reminds me of the book that one person had been selling through mail order on how to commit murder for hire. (and no, I'm not comparing the two). This book gave detailed instructions on choosing a weapon, stalking a victim, weapon disposal, etc.

In that instance as well, the author attempted to absolve themselves of responsibility by disclaiming that whatever the reader chose to do with the knowledge was their own business. Too bad the courts didn't see it that way.

Here, "Molly" is irresponsibly encouraging people with no medical knowledge or experience to perform an invasive medical procedure with the justification being a law was passed by the legislature.

I just shudder at the possibilities.


Bob Newland said…
So, the consequences of your buddy, Greenfield's actions make you nervous, eh?

And you still don't mind putting people in prison for using a safe herbal remedy for debilitating illnesses.

The inconsistencies. The inconsistencies.
Chad said…
This was inevitable. When you have a government that wants to take away the power in personal choices, individuals will turn desperate.

If you think people are upset now, wait until the first back-alley death. Then people will finally wake up and see what kind of an agenda these extremists in Pierre have for the rest of us.
PP said…
Guys, I'm not buying those arguments to justify this.

That's like saying "Crack is Illegal, but I diagree, so here are the steps and ingredients you need to do it." In each case, whether you agree with it or not, it's against the law.

While abortion is up in the air at the moment, even under current law, it's against the law to perform a medical procedure like this outside of a clinical setting - and for good reason.

If a person doesn't agree with the law, that's fine, and that's what the election will be for. But I don't think it does the pro-choice side's image any good to provide DIY instructions for Abortion like Norm would for a cabinet on "the Yankee Workshop."
Anonymous said…
They just continue to prove how absolutely selfish, hedonistic, child-hating, and God-hating they really are. Even if this law is ever upheld, and Roe and Doe are overturned, there will no doubt be several states where the cannabilism will continue. Fortunately we have enough common sense in Pierre so that SD won't be one of them. If you don't like it,you're welcome to move!
Anonymous said…
You ever heard of the Jane collective, PP? It was a group of women in Chicago who ran an underground abortion network before abortion was legal. At first, they would bring women to various safe-ish back alley providers, but as these women began to observe the doctors doing the illegal abortions, they figured out how to do it. Eventually, they did all the abortions themselves, with extremely low infection rates. No woman died from a Jane abortion, though back-alley abortionists killed thousands of women in those days.

These directions are hardly new and hardly shocking.
Anonymous said…
We read it before on S.D. Watch. I think there is a huge irony in the posting that is overlooked. And that irony is based upon the assertion that South Dakota is not going to dissuade any woman from making her own decisions and ruling over her own body.
PP said…
Anon #2 -

Somehow I'm thinking the reality of the Jane initiative is romanticized as a result of the mists of time.

Because I doubt they kept records on their patients.

But again, that begs the question - if it's illegal, how does that justify providing instructions for novices to figure it out at home.
Chad said…
PP --

There is a big difference between "crack" and reproductive choice. The public is overwhelmingly against illegal drug use. The abortion issue is at or near a 50-50 split.

Like I said, wait until, God forbid, the first back-alley death. Only then will you realize what an extremist piece of legislation this is.

PP said…
I agree there is a difference. But both are currently illegal for hom production/service.

Do we get to pick and choose the laws we are supposed to obey now, and ignore the ones we don't?
Bob Newland said…
People do pick and choose the laws they obey. That's already a fact; it's not a question of "whether we get to".

When laws demonstrably cause more problems than they solve, they should be repealed, not justified and rationalized.

And, PP, you still haven't answered the question, "Why do you think people should be imprisoned for trying to feel better?"
eddie said…
The medical marijuana petition drive at the University of South Dakota School of Law has garnered remarkable success.

Thus far, in just a few days I've managed to get over ninety signaures for the petition and just a few people have declined.

This WILL get on the ballot!!
Anonymous said…
Hey eddie, if a Vermillionite would like to sign your petition, where can we find you?

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